Reply Aug 25, 19, 2:39 pm # 324 behuman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: my heart is on the shores of the north Italian lakes Even though I could tell the interior was on the older side, the cabin and seat still felt sleek. SWISS Airbus A330 300 1 3.5 of 5 based on 36 user ratings. They have a much bigger cargo capacity. Behind this is a very small Business Class cabin made up of just two rows, followed by a larger Business Class cabin made up of eight rows. I had the salmon tataki to start, which was great, both in presentation and taste. The A330 has 8F/45C/183Y, the A340 'only' 8/47/164, so they will most certainly try to get in 10-19 extra Y seats. /], [tpg_rating tpg-rating-score="80" ground-experience="4" cabin-seat="22" amens-ife="8" food-bev="22" service="24" pros="Smart-looking cabin, comfortable throne seat and fantastic service." 58 Helpful votes. In the end the A340 has space for one extra pallet and a lot of additional MTOW. This cookie is associated with Akamai and is used to differentiate between traffic from humans and bots. (they are happy to give you more once you have used up the initial one, btw). The business-class lounge at Geneva has since re-opened, which will surely be a massive improvement compared to what I experienced. The new hard product is similar to what passengers can expect to find on the airline's Boeing 777 aircraft a vast improvement over the older, outdated products. At least you know when your time is up. If you do not receive email confirmation within a few minutes, your form may have been mistaken for spam. I would definitely avoid those seats unless traveling with a companion. Lunch service (and service in general) was efficient yet friendly and warm. Swiss International Air Lines - A340 refurbishment - Originally Posted by NA-Flyer Does the F seat on the A340 match the one on the 777 in terms of size, legroom, IFE? Havent flown Swiss since moving to OneWorld when BMI succumbed but we used to love flying with them. The A330s were delivered in 2010 to 2011 or 2012 no? Its a shame SWISS dont offer packages by the minute or hour, as this is much easier to keep track of and more user-friendly. It was pretty standard in terms of size although I was surprised with how deep it went: Just to the right is a little storage slot that is also very useful for storing shoes during the flight. This article is closed to new comments. Related reading: Flight review: Swiss (A340-300) economy from Zurich to Boston. We've booked 1.7 million of rooms to date. Connections: USB A Seat Pitch: 99 centimeters. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. On the other hand they allow us to improve our content for you. All the A330s have the same seat map: As you can see, there are 8 First Class seats in a 1-2-1 layout across two rows. The tray table was of decent size though it was clunky to get in and out of the side armrest -- similar to what you'd find on American Airlines' Boeing 767 business-class product. Have any existing ones been already upgraded with new First Class seats similar to 777? The A330s are in storage right now. However travelling in First to Boston they lost my luggage and werent exactly stellar in their handling of this. Now, pax demand close to zero, but cargo is doing well on these very long routes, so the A340 is the best fit. The Boeing 777 comes with a private wardrobe equipped with hangers that also functions as a door, completely separating you from the aisle. endobj
Each of the suites feature 22 inches of seat width, and each of the beds is 80 inches long when in its lie-flat position. FYI, SWISS has stated that no destinations are being but, rather frequencies will be adjusted. If it's happening in commercial aviation, you'll get the information and opinions here first. The route will be operated with an Airbus A330-300 aircraft seating 236 passengers. The airline recently completed a cabin refurbishment program on all five of its A340s which includes a new entertainment system and internet access. There is Wi-Fi on board most of Swiss' long-haul aircraft. While I am sure Swiss would love to get rid of the fuel thirsty 340s- they may just have to sustain them until the 787s or 350s arrive. After a quick visit to the Lufthansa business-class lounge, it was time to board the A220. The range of the 333 is limited and it also has no crew rest, unlike the 340, which means F class has to be blocked for resting purposes on some routes. The contents were the same but it felt much nicer, and the tin is very useful to have. I was seated in 1A and legroom was wholly adequate. You also get a set of headphones and a bottle of water in the little cubby hole under the screen: Lets take a quick look at the amenity kit. So which long haul routes will be disappearing?? . Please view our advertising policy page for more information. Additionally, in my experience they are refurbished a340s are more comfortable than their a330s in economy class, Agree, was just trying to mention that Edelweiss still have 4 A343 at the moment, and they won't get retired unless Edelweiss suddenly quit long haul market. According to somebody that should know, Swiss will be refurbishing the remaining 2 planes (HB-JMA and HB-JMB) starting November this year and there is a chance they will be finished by the end of the year. 3 0 obj
Unlike other airlines, which enforce document checks at check-in, SWISS seems to have decided to have an additional document check before boarding, despite all my Covid documentation having been checked previously. The Airbus A330-300 is a long-haul aircraft. The A330 doesnt make it with full payload and the 77W is way too big for pax demand. Plus, your own feed of TPG content. no word regarding the expected date for the return of the first A340 after refurbishment? And all for a little stamp on by boarding pass that, as far as I can tell, is only for SWISS use and not for the UAE authorities. Assigns your browser to a session on the server. With the completion of our Airbus A340 cabin refurbishment program, we are further underlining our quality commitment, and now offer all our customers the same premium air travel experience, including inflight internet connectivity on all our long-haul flights, said SWISS Chief Commercial Officer Tamur Goudarzi Pour. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. In terms of content the variety wasnt bad, particularly given the dearth of cinema releases in the past year. Reviews. Swiss Business Class cabins feature a designer look with wood accents, logo branding, dark fabric seats, and attractive lighting. Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources. Voting Is Now Open for the 2021 FlyerTalk Awards! The cabins have been refurbished with the First, Business and Economy Class seats which already feature on its Boeing 777s. Our gate was a bus gate. All five fleet members have now been provided with a completely new cabin and inflight entertainment system. The bus was completely packed, though, so it didn't feel like a premium experience. is The Points Guy's Global News Editor and is based in London. They also offer far less privacy than many new Business Class seats. Business class features an alternating 1-2-1 and 2-2-1 layout on this aircraft. Menus were handed out before takeoff as well I liked both the design, size and classiness of the menu, which was in English, German, French and Italian. The A340 will also be deployed on SWISSs new Zurich-Osaka (Japan) route where flights commence on March 1, 2020. <>
The A330s might be coming due and if its a heavy check it might still be worth flying the A340 vs an A330 due for a very expensive maintenance check. Woman single-handedly takes on BA and wins, EasyJet pilot does 360-degree turn so passengers can see the Northern Lights, Swiss to switch to Beijing Daxing in March, Swiss to expand airtrain services in 2020, Swiss to launch Lugano-Zurich rail service, Swiss to add Osaka and Washington DC routes, To see our latest subscription offers for Business Traveller editions worldwide, click on the Subscribe & Save link below, So, all five aircraft in the fleet are now, equipped with a brand new cabin and infli. The transformation planned will be conducted over the next three years through our reach strategic programme, with which we aim to realign our company to the changed market situation and achieve sustainable cost savings of some CHF 500 million.. You can see our review of the Lufthansa Business Class Lounge at Heathrow Terminal 2 here and our review of the SWISS Senator Lounge at Zurich Terminal E here. This website uses cookies. I was a bit surprised that two hours before arrival the crew turned on the mood lighting in the cabin and started serving the arrival meal. Swiss Airbus A330 Seat Maps Swiss. Anyone who needs to be online for a serious amount of time (or doing a serious amount of work) is going to find that getting connected on board a Swiss aircraft is very expensive. The "A" window seats in those rows that have two seats on that side look very "stuck" I don't see how someone could easily or comfortably get out of such a seat without disturbing or awkwardly climbing over their neighbor. Its not great. During the ongoing airport refurbishment, it seems that most long-haul flights depart from these types of gates. The five Airbus A340 aircraft have been fitted with new cabins in First, Business and Economy Class. Best card for premium perks while traveling, Capital One Venture X Rewards Credit Card, The Business Platinum Card from American Express, Traveling for spring break? SWISS have opted for the Thompson Vantage business class seat. Our points-obsessed staff uses a plethora of credit cards on a daily basis. Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos. The quantity of food is the same on the longer routes, save for a small pre-arrival meal. The reasons could be the following: You have a browser plugin installed that blocks JavaScript, you are using a VPN or privacy software often used by bots, or you are navigating through the website at an unusually high speed. This site does not include all credit card companies or all available credit card offers. I flew Swiss recently and also found the boarding process to be chaotic, however if the gate has the electronic, self scan option then scanning your boarding pass allows you to pass, without needing to queue for the annoying document checks. Terms apply to the offers listed on this page. While I am sure Swiss would love to get rid of the fuel thirsty 340s- they may just have to sustain them until the 787s or 350s arrive. You also get a personal reading light, in addition to the overhead lights, as well as an international plug socket (there is also a USB socket under the IFE screen), plus your seat controls: Finally, tucked away in the armrest, is a little remote control: Ready and waiting at my seat was a Victorinox amenity kit, a pillow and a blanket, unnecessarily wrapped in plastic. Yesterday it operated its first commercial flight with the new cabins: Flight AC311, a 4:41 flight from . Improve earnings, maximize rewards and track progress toward dream trips. Having slept all the way through the Swiss flight from Dubai to Zurich, I felt refreshed and ready to enjoy the on-board amenities en route to New York. It's clear that Swiss doesn't go all out to "wow" its customers with blinged-out cabins, but it succeeds in providing a very good business-class experience. Were the UKs most-read source of business travel, Avios, frequent flyer and hotel loyalty news. endobj
As mentioned previously I was given a menu after boarding. The A340s have been recently refurbished. Corporate responsibility, that is to say sustainable and responsible entrepreneurial practice, is an integral part of our corporate strategy. The menu, food and presentation was also very good. I made my own bed SWISS dont offer a bed making service as far as I can tell and there is no mattress pad or sheet like you find on other airlines, so you make do with your (fairly mediocre) pillow and blanket: At some point a bistro menu was handed out for the optional second on-demand meal service. What let this flight down was the ground experience in Geneva, which shouldn't even be an issue now that the lounge is complete. Im normally quite sceptical about having steak on flights because Ive had some pretty bad ones in the past but the cabin crew assured me this was their favourite. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Check here before booking an award fare. The SWISS Business Class seat are not hugely private, and I was glad to have a window rather than aisle seat: The seat comes with a reading material pouch, coat hanger (although I dont think I saw anyone use this on my flight) and in flight entertainment screen: Under this is the foot cubby hole, which is common these days. I had contemplated trying to get some more sleep just as the service started. Having lived in different countries and with a previous career in financial services, he is an Avios, Oneworld Alliance and general aviation travel expert. In addition, the 340 is better for cargo and has the new C / F class installed. See what a point or mile is worth with our appraisals of a loyalty programs currency, based on redemption values. Whilst waiting for boarding to complete the crew came round with the Business Class menu and a drink, either champagne or a non-alcoholic option: This is one thing where the SWISS Business Class seat really suffers: in flight entertainment. Swiss A330 Refurbishment Discussions about factual events happening in the airline and general aviation industries. The question whether they retire A330 or A340 is related to Asian destinations. Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). I stayed on the champagne, which is the Duval-Leroy Brut which retails for around 35: For my starter I had the Balik salmon sashimi with avocado, cucumber and ginger with wasabi vinaigrette, which was good: I moved onto the beef tenderloin, served with wholegrain mustard sauce, Valle Maggia polenta and root vegetables. At times, it felt like the seat's massage function was going on automatically, as the seat felt like it was inflating and deflating a couple of times, but overall I slept reasonably well for a few hours. I think to make the word Swiss possessive you can add 's. Objectively, the 777-300ER is a newer, nicer aircraft. Here are the right contact partners for your specific queries of the Lufthansa Group: Investor Relations contacts for private and professional investors: Should you wish to contact Lufthansa as a customer or business partner, please phone our hotline in Germany on +49 69 86 799 799. And agree that its better than CW! Beside getting a chance to fly long-haul in Swiss business class for the first time, this itinerary contained another treat a flight on board Swiss' new Airbus A220 aircraft from LHR to GVA. Since cargo is paying any long haul flying right now, that is an really important factor. After dinner it was time for bed and the cabin lights were dimmed. Where did the aircraft come from? But the plane will not be retired anytime soon. I bet that the older A340/A330 will go. And, of course, the lines were quite long. There is actually one more factor; Edelweiss. As expected, the aircraft and seats have a very modern feel and though the seats look very slim, they were comfortable enough for such a short flight. Special features Annoyingly, SWISS reserves the best seats, including all the throne seats and those in the mini-cabin, for Miles & More status holders. So far I have been fairly impressed with SWISS. From my throne seat in business, I had a perfect view of the small first-class cabin until the curtain was drawn. Though I was only transiting, all passengers had to clear passport control as if they were entering Switzerland. Airbus A330-300 aircraft seating 236 passengers. After flying to Seletar Airport (XSP) in Singapore in October to begin the retrofit process, the plane returned to Canada at the end of February. According to PlaneSpotters.net, Swiss' fleet of five A340s have an average age 16.3 years. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, not those of any bank, credit card issuer, airline or hotel chain, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. First, business and elite passengers were called to board just after 11am for our 11:40am departure and were bussed separately to our A330, which has registration HB-JHJ and was delivered new to Swiss eight years ago. I did notice, though, that a few of the other passengers were struggling with their bags while climbing the steep steps. This site does not include all credit card companies or all available credit card offers. I reserved seat 11K for myself but at check-in seat 9K had come up. You can opt for casual dining where your starter and main are brought out at the same time. The aircraft were given a new lease on life in 2020. I quite liked the glassware that Swiss used, too. Last but not least the resale value proposition is a lot better for the A330 compared to the ultra cheap A340-300s. Update: Some offers mentioned below are no longer available. Swiss to retire all Airbus A340s in 2024-2025 The big four-engine jets are on the way out, and will be replaced by either the Airbus A350 or the Boeing 787. Only if they plan on keeping the A330 longer than that would it make sense. Behind this is a very small Business Class cabin made up of just two rows, followed by a larger Business Class cabin made up of eight rows. 4K, 5K, 6K etc. See what a point or mile is worth with our appraisals of a loyalty programs currency, based on redemption values. It is about the same size you would expect in economy or premium economy. Before we took off, there was a choice of Champagne, orange juice or water. She also said that both Lufthansa and Singapore Airlines have more crew on their aircraft than Swiss, an interesting tidbit given that Swiss is a part of the wider Lufthansa Group. Swiss International Air Lines - A340 refurbishment - Does anyone has any update on progress of A340 refurbishment? Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, Brussels, LOT and Other Partners | Miles & More, FlyerTalk Forums Expert How-Tos and Guides. To get us from A to B Swiss needs planes. Whilst it worked fine, it isnt exactly cheap and with 220MB being the upper limit you wont get much use out of it. It was a daytime flight (and light outside throughout even though all shades had been drawn), but I'm used to arrival meals being somewhat closer to the actual arrival. SWISS International Air Lines vous remercie de votre comprhension. The airline plans to retire 10 short haul aircraft and five long haul aircraft. I think Swiss will keep the A340 around for a while longer having made that recent investment. 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